Trump Pulls Out Of Climate Accord

[buddyh]

photo courtesy of wordpress

You've probably heard or read about it.  The "Accord" is voluntary so, of course, Obama jumped in with both feet and committed the US to a wholly unobtainable reduction in fossil fuel use by 2025.  China & India for their part committed to thinking about it in 2030.  You could look it up.  And Obama, knowing that he could never get it through the Senate as a treaty, just signed on because he has grandiose tendencies.  He didn't count on Hillary losing and Trump would just refuse to participate.  Trump just did.

Is climate change real?  Of course it is.  The climate always changes.  Dinosaurs died off because of climate change.  There have been at least two Ice Ages.  Universities offer doctorates in climatology.  What a soft major climatology would be if the climate never changed.  The PhD dissertations would be so easy:  "Nothing new to report.  Where's my diploma?"

The problem is that liberals are filled with the conceit and arrogance that they, and they alone, can control and bend the climate to their will.  And their solution is to take control of the energy sector in the US economy.  And why not?  It has worked so well with health care.

In other news: Despite her protestations and blame casting, Hillary has still lost the election.  The truth of the matter is that she had a two foot putt and shanked it 150 yards into the rough.  That takes real political acumen.

[chiefy jones]

Has construction on the wall been started yet?

[buddyh]

Has construction on the wall been started yet?

What does that have to do with anything in my post?

Chiefy, you may have missed it, but I am not a Trump supporter.  I support some of his policies, but I have a real problem with his style and execution.  He should stay off Tweezer and stop acting like a 14 year old girl who hates Stacy with a "Y", but likes Staci with an "I".  He should make rare, short, concise public statements.  And then let Kathy Griffin, Rosie O'Donnell, DeCaprio, Maxine Waters and their ilk foam at the mouth and post insane Twits or whatever the hell they're called.

[Red50Go]

The problem is that liberals are filled with the conceit and arrogance that they, and they alone, can control and bend the climate to their will.  And their solution is to take control of the energy sector in the US economy.   

Couple o things.  Seems to me conservatives are alone.  Well along with Syria, cough cough.  Half the US and every other country on earth thinks otherwise.

Job growth in green energy far outpaces the burning stuff industry, and that will continue, with or w/out Trump.  Including Pittsburgh - who rebuked Trump even mentioning them.  It is by far the #1 economic driver of the future, in the US and globally, and we walked away from the head seat at the table.  Others will gladly fill that in.  Brilliant.

Lastly let's be real, drilling and coal especially, are shit jobs in shit areas with a lot of accidents, deaths, and opiod abuse, ugly landscapes, and dangerously polluted water, air, and dirt.  Not to mention the billions we (taxpayers) must spend on cleaning that crap up, and treating the illness and suffering they have to live with the rest of their shortened lives.  Well, at least till we get rid of their healthcare.  You couldn't pay me to live in most of those armpits.

       

[Firewatch]

Couple o things.  Seems to me conservatives are alone.  Well along with Syria, cough cough.  Half the US and every other country on earth thinks otherwise.

Job growth in green energy far outpaces the burning stuff industry, and that will continue, with or w/out Trump.  Including Pittsburgh - who rebuked Trump even mentioning them.  It is by far the #1 economic driver of the future, in the US and globally, and we walked away from the head seat at the table.  Others will gladly fill that in.  Brilliant.

Lastly let's be real, drilling and coal especially, are shit jobs in shit areas with a lot of accidents, deaths, and opiod abuse, ugly landscapes, and dangerously polluted water, air, and dirt.  Not to mention the billions we (taxpayers) must spend on cleaning that crap up, and treating the illness and suffering they have to live with the rest of their shortened lives.  Well, at least till we get rid of their healthcare.  You couldn't pay me to live in most of those armpits.

       

Are you saying the "Burning stuff Industry" that you grew up in is not the way to go. And you want me to hitch my wagon to the Green Energy freaks that....As of now have FAILED!!!! I notice you pinned the Opiod epidemic on the "Burning Stuff Industry" also. HUH!!! Could you ask Fryewood how many overdoses he responded to that were at Timken Steel or an oil and gas compressor station or maybe even a coal mine.


But Hey let's all follow Green Energy.


Update: 7/19/16: The Amonix Solar: FAIL! – manufacturing plant in North Las Vegas, subsidized by more than $20 million in federal tax credits and grants given by Obama Administration, has closed its 214,000 square foot facility a year after it opened.
Solar Trust of America: FAIL! – Filed Bankruptcy in Oakland, CA, April 3, 2012
 
Bright Source: FAIL! – Bright Source warned Obama’s Energy Department officials in March 2011 that delays in approving a $1.6 billion U.S. loan guarantee would embarrass the White House and force the solar-energy company to close. Bright Source lost billions of dollars but is getting more money to keep trying. Can you say, “This isn’t working Mr. President?”
 
Solyndra: FAIL! – Obama gave $500,000,000 (that’s a HALF BILLION!) in taxpayer money to Solyndra who shut its doors and laid off 1100 workers in August 2011 after billions in losses due to failure to make a solar product that works! Barack Obama was not vetted before being elected President and neither was Solyndra before Mr. Obama threw that taxpayer money down the drain of unproven technology.
 
LSP Energy: FAIL! – LSPEnergy LP filed bankruptcy protection and a sale of its assets in Feb 2012
 
Energy Conversion Devices: FAIL! – On February 14, 2012 Energy Conversion Devices, Inc. and its subsidiaries filed for bankruptcy
 
Abound Solar: FAIL! – Abound Solar received a $400 million loan guarantee from Barack Obama then announced in June, 2012 that it would file for bankruptcy. Many of these failed corporations, such as Abound, donated MILLIONS and continue to donate to Barack Obama’s campaign. Can you say, “Democrat Slush Fund”? Yes this is illegal. But Democrats are being protected from being prosecuted, for now.
 
SunPower: FAIL! – SunPower stopped producing solar cells in 2011 at near bankruptcy then restructured with the help of, get this, oil giant TOTAL, Inc. who owns 60% stake in SunPower. Irony? The company is still struggling.
 
Beacon Power: FAIL! – Beacon Power Corp filed for bankruptcy protection in October, 2011 just a year after Obama approved a $43 million Government loan guarantee. They remain barely in business, still struggling to make energy that makes sense or that works at all.

Ecotality: FAIL! – ECOtality, a San Francisco green-tech company that never earned any money and remains on the verge of bankruptcy after receiving roughly $115 million in two loan guarantees from President Obama, who wants to do some more of this kind of Democrat Slush Fund Guarantees after he is elected to a 2nd term.
 
A123 Solar: FAIL! – A123 Solar received $279 million from taxpayers thanks to President Obama’s Department of Energy loan guarantees even after the Solyndra bankruptcy and is getting another $500M from Obama after a loss of $400M.
 
UniSolar: FAIL! – Uni-Solar filed for Ch 11 bankruptcy in June 20, 2012 after laying off hundreds of workers. UniSolar received even more Obama money after showing now progress, no profits and is still failing… yet they still remain in business with Obama’s help.
 
Azure Dynamics: FAIL! – Azure Dynamics filed for bankruptcy in June , 2012 wasting millions in Obama “Stimulus” money and received abatement on taxes owed and and several tax credits.  Azure Dynamics LLC filed for bankruptcy protection in Canada and the US.  Azure laid off 120 of its 160 employees in Oak Park; Boston; Vancouver, British Columbia; and the UK.
 
Evergreen Solar: FAIL! – Evergreen Solar received $527 Million in Taxpayer money from Obama and filed bankruptcy in late 2011. Evergreen, which closed its taxpayer-supported Devens factory in March, 2011 cut more than 1800 jobs. Evergreen’s $450 million factory, turned out to be a colossal “waste” of taxpayer money.
 
Ener1: FAIL! Ener1 Inc. received a $118 million U.S. Energy Department grant from President Obama to make electric-car batteries but filed for bankruptcy protection January 2012 after defaulting on bond debt.
 

[Shreve Legal Team]

Firewatch and LA are good people.

[Shreve Legal Team]

Lastly let's be real, drilling and coal especially, are shit jobs in shit areas with a lot of accidents, deaths, and opiod abuse, ugly landscapes, and dangerously polluted water, air, and dirt.  Not to mention the billions we (taxpayers) must spend on cleaning that crap up, and treating the illness and suffering they have to live with the rest of their shortened lives.  Well, at least till we get rid of their healthcare.  You couldn't pay me to live in most of those armpits.

Ah, the stoopidity of the office cubicle.

It spreads to the water cooler.

Did ya ever hear of the Massillon coal seam?

[Red50Go]

They are definitely good people!  The future is still green energy, and is where the highest job growth is occurring, and will occur.  And yes, drugs are everywhere, but the opioid crisis is especially endemic in WV and coal country.  It just is.  We also do more subsidize oil/gas than any other industry.  From military protection here and overseas, wars, to environmental cleanup and pollution controls, to treating related illnesses.  True cost ranges from $400-$500/barrel. 

Yes we grew up on it, and I remember driving into Cleveland and Pittsburgh as a kid when they looked like hell with the lid off.  I also remember definitely NOT fishing let alone entering Lake Erie or the Cuyahoga.  I don't discredit the wealth and standard of living that all brought, but time to move to better technologies.  They still have a valuable role and always will but at increasingly reduced levels, and that is a good thing.
         

[LA Dragon]

Let's not act like the media on here and show off our "selective hearing" skills.

President Trump is not against discussions and pacts concerning climate change and doing things better. He says the current Paris Climate Accord is a crock of shit because it puts the burden on the U.S., both in financial costs and loss of jobs, while China & India (2 of the most populated countries on Earth) have been luke warm to it. He is not against some re-working of this stupid deal Obama pushed for simply for his legacy, not as an effective and useful tool against climate change.

One other thing, as buddyh points out, we have no control of the climate. Don't flatter yourself.

[Shreve Legal Team]

Massillon's past prosperity was driven by coal.

There is nothing wrong with coal, steel, and US manufacturing. It's globalism pushed by DC and Wall Street that has been destructive over the last 30 years.

[Shreve Legal Team]

Has construction on the wall started yet

Cheefy Jones, Your 1976 Tampa Bay Buccaneers of Political Commentators

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/05/02/mulvaney_trump_is_building_a_wall_right_now_here_are_the_pictures.html#!

MICK MULVANEY: The president delivered on his promises and got his priorities funded, and that's what the Democrats don't want you to know. They want you to think they won, but they don't want you to know the American people won here because the president simply out-negotiated them.

I want to come back to one thing, and then I'll take some questions. If I can bring the pictures up now, that would be great. You've heard me talk a lot over the course of the last couple weeks -- I've been on television a couple of times saying, oh, there's no bricks and mortar; there's no bricks and mortar; and there's no bricks and mortar for a wall in this. We could build this, OK?

And we're going to build this. There are several hundreds of millions of dollars for us to replace cyclone fencing with 20-foot high steel wall. There's several hundreds of millions of dollars in the bill for us -- can we bring up the other photo please? Do we have the other photo?

There's several hundreds of millions of dollars for us to build levee walls along the southern border. And as many of you know who follow this issue, some of the most vulnerable areas that we have are places along rivers where we desperately need levees in order to provide the protection of the southern border that we -- that we need, OK?

We are building this now. There is money in this deal to build several hundreds of millions of dollars of this to replace this. That's what we got in this deal and that's what the Democrats don't want you to know. This stuff is going up now. Why? Because the president wants to make the country more safe.

This doesn't stop drugs and doesn't stop criminals from crossing the border. In fact, it doesn't stop hardly anything from crossing the border. This does. And that's what we got in this deal, and that's why we're so excited about the opportunities that we have to follow through on the president's promises to secure the southern border.

So unless we have the other -- the other picture, I'll take a couple of questions.

[Shreve Legal Team]

"This is so hot!" - Cheefy The 0-14 Political Commentator.

[Shreve Legal Team]

Oh Cheefy.......

[buddyh]

The future is still green energy, and is where the highest job growth is occurring, and will occur.

Maybe that's due to Obama's policies favoring solar and wind over all other energy sources.  And that's the past.  The future?  Eh. Maybe. We'll see.  BTW, did you you know that most solar panels used in the US are made in China?  Look it up.  For my part, I'd prefer to let the free market (we are both part of that) work out what's the most efficient, cost effective energy source rather than have some nameless, unelected young snot in the EPA make that determination for the entire economy (we are both of that as well).

But that's just me.  I don't like anyone of any political or philosophical persuasion telling me what I must do.  If you are comfortable with that notion, have it at.  Just leave me off the list of those who are required to comply.  I don't think that's asking too much.  Do you?

[LA Dragon]

Lee Roy Selmon, he would have been on the JV squad if Da Klub was running the Tampa Bay Bucs.