Massillon => City Of Massillon => Topic started by: brm12 on January 05, 2018, 11:31:54 AM

Title: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: brm12 on January 05, 2018, 11:31:54 AM
Affinity Hospital closing Feb 4. Not sure what kind of economic impact this will have, but I do feel for the employees that will be out of a job.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: WeggieThompson on January 05, 2018, 12:19:03 PM
If it goes anything like Doctors Hospital did, just tear it down now. This is a good chance for our Mayor to do something. Very sorry for anyone losing their job.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Red50Go on January 05, 2018, 12:27:22 PM
That is a shame.  I just looked at their parent co. Community Health Systems Inc (ticker CYH) and they are obviously losing money and have for years.  Not a very well run company from what I can see.  A lot of memories there.  :(
   
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on January 05, 2018, 01:05:05 PM
That is a shame.  I just looked at their parent co. Community Health Systems Inc (ticker CYH) and they are obviously losing money and have for years.  Not a very well run company from what I can see.  A lot of memories there.  :(
   

QHC is the current owner of Affinity. Quorum Health is a spinoff of Community Health Systems. They acquired 30+ smaller hospitals from CHS a few years ago. None the less their performance wasn’t much better.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Spize on January 05, 2018, 01:34:06 PM
With the factory of death closing, it’s an opportunity for our officials to get something positive here in its place.

Akron Children’s is expanding like wildfire.  Maybe they could get political donors and orgs like the David foundation to combine efforts to make them an offer they can’t refuse.

Get the SCPA involved if you can, if they can be a bottomless pit for the billionaires of the NFL, they can be a helping hand to the thousandaires of Stark County too.

Without this hospital, it’s the beginning of the tumble into oblivion for this town.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on January 05, 2018, 04:27:24 PM
Mayor hoping to save Affinity.  :o. good luck

http://www.cantonrep.com/news/20180105/mayor-hoping-to-save-affinity-it-is-critical-need-in-our-city (http://www.cantonrep.com/news/20180105/mayor-hoping-to-save-affinity-it-is-critical-need-in-our-city)
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on January 05, 2018, 05:55:48 PM
This is a real shame to be sure. However, I don't hold out much hope when you have a leader making statements such as this:

"We have a lot of research to do". Um, KCP you have until March 6th. Actually, you don't. The decision was already made. And if you were truly blindsided by this I just wonder where your head has been for the last few years.

"We are trying to muddle through this". Really? That's your response? Wow. Who voted for her anyway.

So I wish the city the best of luck. This one is very serious and has short and long term consquences.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Strangemind on January 06, 2018, 10:25:44 AM
 I was born in the old Massillon City Hospital, so I will try to get them to preserve it as a historical sight.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on January 06, 2018, 02:17:29 PM
I was born in the old Massillon City Hospital, so I will try to get them to preserve it as a historical sight.

Bro. Bro. BRO! Me too. I'm on on that one.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: BuddyH on January 06, 2018, 03:56:04 PM
I was born in MCH as well.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: tiger pride on January 06, 2018, 11:17:27 PM
With the factory of death closing, it’s an opportunity for our officials to get something positive here in its place.

Akron Children’s is expanding like wildfire.  Maybe they could get political donors and orgs like the David foundation to combine efforts to make them an offer they can’t refuse.

Get the SCPA involved if you can, if they can be a bottomless pit for the billionaires of the NFL, they can be a helping hand to the thousandaires of Stark County too.

Without this hospital, it’s the beginning of the tumble into oblivion for this town.
Great idea! A Stark County campus for Children's Hospital out of Akron would be a great land for the County. Can't imagine the regime would go for it though. Soon to be a ghost town.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on January 07, 2018, 08:25:16 AM
If this happens I will front a full page ad in the Inde rag quoting the post El Chicone made above giving him FULL credit for this great idea. But of course your Mayor is "doing some research" and "muddling through this" at the moment so this isn't on her radar screen. Chicone for Mayor!!
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: WeggieThompson on January 07, 2018, 01:21:13 PM
Akron Children's and Aultman announced on December 17th 2017 that they are building a new 16 million dollar facility on Whipple in North Canton. I cannot see anyway Akron Chidren's would be interested. Slim chance that Aultman would. Hope the Cleveland Clinic is interested. They could be a huge asset in this community.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on January 07, 2018, 02:36:27 PM
Akron Children's and Aultman announced on December 17th 2017 that they building a new 16 million dollar facility on Whipple in North Canton. I cannot see anyway Akron Chidren's would be interested. Slim chance that Aultman would. Hope the Cleveland Clinic is interested. They could be a huge asset in this community.

Spot on.
Also FYI The Cleveland Clinic has had a working relationship with Aultman  for a number of years with a number of projects. With the Cleveland Clinic’s acquisition of Akron General to expand their southern region, don’t be surprised that an Aultman affiliation/merger will happen with the CC in the upcoming future.

If you are looking at any other large hospital systems, University Hospitals is the only other one in NE Ohio that competes with the Cleveland Clinic.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on January 07, 2018, 02:57:31 PM
Affinity Medical Center is closing on February 4th, WHBC’s Joe Palmisano talked to Ohio District 48 Representative Kirk Schuring on his program The Week That Was on Saturday, here is that interview…

http://www.whbc.com/21621-2/
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: LA Dragon on January 07, 2018, 04:41:16 PM
It's a shame that the economic concept of profits overrides the basic need of a community to have emergency medical care and other vital services.

Makes me visualize someone walking into an emergency room with their 10 year old child who fell off their bike and has a broken arm. "Sure, we can fix your child's arm and it will be like new. Do you have insurance? Ok, good, then we need your $200 co-pay before we start."
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Firewatch on January 07, 2018, 04:56:22 PM
2 years ago they just added a new Emergency Room and Heart Cath wing. One of these bigger hospital organizations should see value in that. University Hospitals and Edwin Shaw would be 2 other possibilities.


To be honest I have zero faith in the mayor and her crew of idiots to put together a sound proposal to any of these organizations.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on January 07, 2018, 05:53:12 PM
2 years ago they just added a new Emergency Room and Heart Cath wing. One of these bigger hospital organizations should see value in that. University Hospitals and Edwin Shaw would be 2 other possibilities.


To be honest I have zero faith in the mayor and her crew of idiots to put together a sound proposal to any of these organizations.

Edwin Shaw was owned for many years by Akron General. It is now part of Cleveland Clinic Akron General.  They recently entered into a joint ownership with Select Speciality Hospitals when they built the new Edwin Shaw Rehab facility that just opened in Montrose.


Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on January 07, 2018, 06:01:21 PM
2 years ago they just added a new Emergency Room and Heart Cath wing. One of these bigger hospital organizations should see value in that.

Unfortunately with new state of the art equipment and advanced Cardiac Ptograms comes significant overhead (professional staffing costs) that more often than not with today’s insurance reimbursements and non compensated charity care will not be profitable regardless of the patient volumes that are generated.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: LA Dragon on January 07, 2018, 08:39:24 PM
Be patient Al, those "goodwill" charitable deduction cases will be reinstated soon once they totally dismantle the travesty system we have now.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: BuddyH on January 07, 2018, 11:21:12 PM
Makes me visualize someone walking into an emergency room with their 10 year old child who fell off their bike and has a broken arm. "Sure, we can fix your child's arm and it will be like new. Do you have insurance? Ok, good, then we need your $200 co-pay before we start."
Do you have insurance!?  Of course they do!  It's required by federal law.  The deductibles and co-pays will be breathtaking, and the reimbursements to the provider will be skimpy.  And all of those parameters are dictated from DC.  But, hey, everyone should pay their "fair share", right?.

I'm just wondering if Affinity fell under the siren song of Obamacare and imagined that an Obamacare/Medicaid business model was sustainable.  I guess that it was just like the insurance and doctor promises:  "If you like your hospital, you can keep it."
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: LA Dragon on January 08, 2018, 01:01:56 PM
I listened to Mayor KatCat this morning on WHBC explain that the city "is at WAR!" with Quorum Health, owner of Affinity Hospital. Should be interesting to see what happens.

The mandate that required you to purchase medical insurance has been repealed, buddyh, in the recent passage of the Tax Reform a few weeks ago. Liberals will run around and say that 13 million people (no definition if that is citizens or people?) will immediately "lose" their medical insurance. Of those 13 million, 12.99 million are young, healthy and feel invincible and never wanted to be forced to buy health insurance in the first place. The premium cost was just a waste of money to these types.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Red50Go on January 08, 2018, 01:28:35 PM
LA, and what do you think happens to everyone else's rates when the young, healthy, and don't forget the irresponsible (takers), drop out of the insurance pool?

Once upon a time conservatives were very pro-mandate. 
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: BuddyH on January 08, 2018, 08:48:38 PM
And what's been happening to rates for the past 8 years?
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: LA Dragon on January 08, 2018, 11:10:29 PM
LA, and what do you think happens to everyone else's rates when the young, healthy, and don't forget the irresponsible (takers), drop out of the insurance pool?


Then our rates will go back down to pre-ACA levels because we're not subsidizing everyone.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: sheriffjohnstone on January 09, 2018, 08:11:54 AM

In today's Independent:

The announcement of the closing of our local hospital is unsettling (“Affinity Medical to close doors in March” Jan. 6).

Our mayor was certainly surprised by the announcement. But, “We didn’t have any advance notice?” Hardly.

Once Massillon Community Hospital was sold in 2007 to a for-profit health care organization, the die was cast.

The new owner, Community Health Systems, and its spin-off Quorum Health Corporation, simply could not make the numbers work in Massillon anymore. Both are public companies, and all anyone needs to do is read Quorum’s periodic public filings to realize troubling signs were ongoing. Apparently, no one in this administration did that.

It was also no secret in the medical real estate community that the property was being shopped. Again, our administration was in blissful ignorance.

The Independent has published several excellent stories the past few years detailing the issues of the hospital. What, no Independent subscriptions at City Hall?

So again, no advance notice — afraid not.

This administration was simply asleep at the switch. This is largely a result of having no one in the administration who specializes in forecasts for local businesses — and works ahead of the news, a concept that is seemingly foreign to this administration.

The current mayor has been in office since Jan. 1, 2012. Because she is a nurse, this inevitability should have been on her radar from Day One.


Our hospital is a civic treasure, and a lack of basic forecasting for the city’s businesses now threatens that treasure.

Instead, the community of Massillon will now “muddle our way through this.”

Massillon, welcome to your latest crisis du jour.

Muddle your way through this, Massillon.

Same as it ever was.

LEW GARRETT, MASSILLON
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Red50Go on January 09, 2018, 08:36:01 AM
How could the mayor have saved the hospital?  Just asking.

You are right though business leaders should be on top of who is making money and who is not, who will stay who might leave.  Not sure if that is or is not the case here, but again the question is how to help or save a financially struggling For Profit private business?  It was just a bad business unfortunately.

Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on January 09, 2018, 10:28:37 AM
I've said it for years and I'll say it again. You have no business leaders in that community. I guess Mr. Gessner and a couple of others but they are few and far between. I'm not saying she could do anything to save it. Not sure anybody can. But to have your first statement to the company that you are going to try to negotiate be "We are at war" could be the most ignorant statement I've heard. This is what happens when you elect a cheerleading coach Mayor. TWICE.

By the way, I have no clue about Lew Garrett. However I do know he's one smart son of a bitch.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on January 09, 2018, 01:35:16 PM
I've said it for years and I'll say it again. You have no business leaders in that community. I guess Mr. Gessner and a couple of others but they are few and far between. I'm not saying she could do anything to save it. Not sure anybody can. But to have your first statement to the company that you are going to try to negotiate be "We are at war" could be the most ignorant statement I've heard. This is what happens when you elect a cheerleading coach Mayor. TWICE.

By the way, I have no clue about Lew Garrett. However I do know he's one smart son of a bitch.

It is interesting that the wife of the business leader that you mentioned in the first sentence above was the previous President of the Board at Affinity Medical Center. 
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: brm12 on January 09, 2018, 02:22:00 PM
I would do everything I pissibly could to bring Akron Children's in!!! Great service area for all people in Stark, Tusc, Wayne counties etc.....
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Firewatch on January 09, 2018, 03:23:19 PM
I would do everything I pissibly could to bring Akron Children's in!!! Great service area for all people in Stark, Tusc, Wayne counties etc.....
And if you have ever been to Childrens Hospital in Akron and seen the amount of Amish in that place it's amazing. Massillon would be a shorter buggy ride. ;D
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on January 09, 2018, 04:21:16 PM
It is interesting that the wife of the business leader that you mentioned in the first sentence above was the previous President of the Board at Affinity Medical Center. 

Wow. Now there's some irony Al. Of course I had no idea about that.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Spize on January 09, 2018, 04:31:36 PM
How could the mayor have saved the hospital?  Just asking.

You are right though business leaders should be on top of who is making money and who is not, who will stay who might leave.  Not sure if that is or is not the case here, but again the question is how to help or save a financially struggling For Profit private business?  It was just a bad business unfortunately.



Step one would have been shutting her trap and not being a cheerleader for a multimillion dollar lawsuit against the hospital.

Nope, she injected herself into a situation like an idiot.

There’s also a whole lot of ignoring the Civic situation surrounding the community that greatly affects the hospital.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Spize on January 09, 2018, 04:36:09 PM
Btw, another great step for our Mayor would be to shut the fuck up.

Perhaps acting like spurned schoolgirl throwing a tantrum on the radio is great for the yes men and yes women she surrounds herself with, but noting really going to help you land the next hospital management by showing your propensity to shit all over people that employed thousands for a decade.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on January 09, 2018, 04:48:14 PM
I think I said all this but not quite as eloquently as El Chicone. She is an idiot. Plain and simple. I'm curious as to what they think they can sue them for anyway? They are losing money and they decided to shut up shop. It's freaking America. Once again, you can't have a cheerleader advisor running the city. But you do. Twice.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: LA Dragon on January 09, 2018, 08:34:03 PM
Maybe that's why the Mayor brought in Dennis Kucinich today to rally for the hospital. He is well schooled on saying things without making a fool of himself.

He actually was there to announce he is running for Governor on the Democratic side.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: The Butler on January 10, 2018, 10:24:31 AM
State Rep. Kirk Schuring said this morning that he was informed by an executive of Quorum that the hospital was losing in the neighborhood of $1 million a month. 

As for what the city (or state) might sue for, there were some promises made to the city during the process of changing the facility from a not for profit to a for profit entity. 
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Spize on January 10, 2018, 11:41:10 AM
State Rep. Kirk Schuring said this morning that he was informed by an executive of Quorum that the hospital was losing in the neighborhood of $1 million a month. 

As for what the city (or state) might sue for, there were some promises made to the city during the process of changing the facility from a not for profit to a for profit entity. 

At best they can hope to win a little cash or changing the deed restrictions back.

Best case. Although KCP probably doesn’t give a shit about this part, releasing the Doctor’s Campus from the restrictions affinity put on it keeping it from being a Hospital again.  Also, I 100% would insist to negotiate an agreement to keep up the site and secure the building for a reasonable period of time.

If we have any legal leverage it’s nothing that can keep the hospital open, but may be enough from it becoming a giant shithole staining the middle the NE Side.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Red50Go on January 10, 2018, 02:25:08 PM
As an aside, that is beauty (ie. perversion) of our health care system.  Hospitals lose money.  Insurance companies make money.  Lots of it.  One has doctors and nurses who try to ease you pain, the other a bunch of pencil pushers who basically siphon 100s of billions and add nothing.

Oh well I'm up over 200% on UNH in my portfolio.  Aetna, Anthem, Cigna, Humana, take your pick they are all cash cows.  But mention non-profit insurance, single payer or public option and they try to scare you.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: LA Dragon on January 10, 2018, 03:26:13 PM
Red50Go,

Way to go! If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!

Since Congress created Medicare Part D way back in the early 2000's, I've made millions (with an M) in stocks like UNH, Express Scripts, Medco, Caremark and various other pharmacy benefit managers. Like shooting fish in a barrel!

Now, I'm doing the same with another group of companies.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Red50Go on January 10, 2018, 04:05:29 PM
Nice!  Are you on the pot train yet or too risky?  That is another I'm up huge on just in the past few weeks.  Btw Sessions is an idiot, lol.



Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Spize on January 10, 2018, 04:09:59 PM
Red50Go,

Way to go! If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!

Since Congress created Medicare Part D way back in the early 2000's, I've made millions (with an M) in stocks like UNH, Express Scripts, Medco, Caremark and various other pharmacy benefit managers. Like shooting fish in a barrel!

Now, I'm doing the same with another group of companies.

Have you noticed the shiny donate button?


Lol
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on January 10, 2018, 05:57:31 PM
I'm on the pot train red. Have been for awhile. LEGALIZE THIS SHIT. LOL.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: LA Dragon on January 11, 2018, 05:44:55 AM
We've been banned from dealing any marijuana related stocks or ETF's. I've had only 2-3 people ask about them though.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on January 11, 2018, 07:30:54 AM
We've been banned from dealing any marijuana related stocks or ETF's. I've had only 2-3 people ask about them though.

That's why I'm now with RJF. LOL. Oh, and my own eTrade account that Andrew the Apostle is just KILLING right now.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: BuddyH on January 11, 2018, 10:22:03 PM
What did you expect would happen when the entire US healthcare sector was turned over to Obama, Pelosi, Reid, etc?  Those titans of business who have never worked a single day in their entire lives.  There may be a connection in there somewhere...
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on January 12, 2018, 07:23:30 AM
Now they are trying to throw some haphazard bill at them to try to delay the closing. I agree that the closing time was way too short but hell I PROMISE you the lawyers are going to be able to shoot holes through the asses of any government bill that might be introduced. What a bunch of goofs. Led by the head cheerleading coach who apparently is also a nurse. That in and of itself scares the hell out of me.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Spize on January 14, 2018, 02:30:38 PM
Now they are trying to throw some haphazard bill at them to try to delay the closing. I agree that the closing time was way too short but hell I PROMISE you the lawyers are going to be able to shoot holes through the asses of any government bill that might be introduced. What a bunch of goofs. Led by the head cheerleading coach who apparently is also a nurse. That in and of itself scares the hell out of me.

Scarier than these people being this stupid is that these stupid people think they have that much power.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on January 14, 2018, 03:16:38 PM
I know he's bat-shit crazy but it's times like these where Scotty boy is at his best. I am laughing my ass off at this Facebook posts and Tweets. Making them all look ignorant.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: The Butler on January 15, 2018, 04:08:00 PM
A statewide perspective on the closing of Affinity.

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2018/01/12/ohio-hospitals-chief-massillon-hospitals-closure.html

Note the part about keeping outpatient and emergency services.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Spize on January 17, 2018, 10:57:43 AM
This is why we need real health insurance, not the aftermarket human warranty system we have now.

When you learn that “health insurance” is a warranty service contract not insurance, you’ll start to understand the problem.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Smitty on January 25, 2018, 12:15:54 AM
This is why we need real health insurance, not the aftermarket human warranty system we have now.

When you learn that “health insurance” is a warranty service contract not insurance, you’ll start to understand the problem.

My 36-year career has been in health care & I've said the same thing as you did, Spize. 
Health insurance isn't much more than a preferred shopper's club, and US hospitals generally are run under the same business model as Costco.

The best frikkin hospitals, physicians, and surgeons are in the United States. We have the "Rolls Royce" of the world's health care but the public wants it with a "Kia" price tag. 
That's not gonna happen.

Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Firewatch on January 25, 2018, 11:25:22 AM
My 36-year career has been in health care & I've said the same thing as you did, Spize. 
Health insurance isn't much more than a preferred shopper's club, and US hospitals generally are run under the same business model as Costco.

The best frikkin hospitals, physicians, and surgeons are in the United States. We have the "Rolls Royce" of the world's health care but the public wants it with a "Kia" price tag. 
That's not gonna happen.


So you are saying that 2 years ago, I go into the ER with a sharp pain in my chest. Not heart related. I get an x-ray and lay in a bed for 7 hours and then have a doctor tell me I have a torn muscle. They send me home and the bill was $10,357. I am supposed to be OK with that. But ya you could damn near buy a KIA for that price.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Smitty on January 25, 2018, 12:44:32 PM
... They send me home and the bill was $10,357. I am supposed to be OK with that. But ya you could damn near buy a KIA for that price.

No; nobody should be OK with that!

PART of the problem is the store (hospital) charging the paying customers a super-inflated price to make up for their loss from the heavily discounted (medicare / medicaid) & non-paying customers. 
Another PART of the problem is from the hospital not getting payment from the commercial insurance companies for 90-days or more after the service. It's part of the arrangement the insurance companies put into their contracts. 

For example: can you imagine how well Domino's would survive if the customer had 90 days to pay for the pizza they ordered today?  Imagine Walmart letting you walk out the door with your cart full of goods and you had 90 days to pay for it? Interest free!!!  Guess how many people would throw THAT invoice in the trash.... hehehe.

Is it any wonder the system is so fucked-up?
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: LA Dragon on January 25, 2018, 01:12:47 PM
I've always opined that the insurance companies and tort laws are the root of all evil in the healthcare industry.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on January 25, 2018, 01:17:20 PM
I've always opined that the insurance companies and tort laws are the root of all evil in the healthcare industry.

That's not an opinion my brother. That is an actual fact.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Spize on January 26, 2018, 07:00:37 AM
I've always opined that the insurance companies and tort laws are the root of all evil in the healthcare industry.

True, but it takes two to tango, the providers that go along with charging the non-insured $900 for the same service they charge an insurance company $60 are just as complicit.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on January 26, 2018, 09:23:12 AM
True, but it takes two to tango, the providers that go along with charging the non-insured $900 for the same service they charge an insurance company $60 are just as complicit.

Both are charged the same amount for the same service.  However, the insurance companies contractually pay the smaller amount. 
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Spize on January 26, 2018, 11:32:37 AM
Both are charged the same amount for the same service.  However, the insurance companies contractually pay the smaller amount. 

You’re arguing semantics and are still wrong.

Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on January 26, 2018, 11:48:01 AM
Are you naive to think that all vendors, suppliers and service providers consistently give the same trade and or cash “discounts” to all of their customers?  It is no different in healthcare.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Spize on January 26, 2018, 11:56:54 PM
Are you naive to think that all vendors, suppliers and service providers consistently give the same trade and or cash “discounts” to all of their customers?  It is no different in healthcare.

In no other business does a vendor negotiate a price up for other vendors with the disparity that exists in this field,

It’s absolutely outrageous and if people knew the real story, it would be a crime.  Think of this, insurance companies aren’t negotiating a $90 service with a 2-4% margin down, they are negotiating that service costing $900 out of network or cash payer to force their product upon the consumer.

A cotton ball doesn’t cost $350 in a hospital charge master for any other reason but to scare and punish those who come there uninsured or out of network.  They go so far as to sell what great negotiators they have that negotiate the price from $350 to 5 cents, but we know it cost that much from the beginning.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Red50Go on January 27, 2018, 08:56:31 AM
In my experience they often charge less when you don't have insurance, or are more willing to "negotiate" a break.  Found that with car and dental too. 

I don't disagree in many cases, but you'd be shocked at the price differences that exist in private business also, between small and large companies for basic supplies and commodities.  I've worked for both small and large manufactures and is what I do for a living.  Think Home Depot or Walmart versus mom and pops.

To me it all boils down to For Profit Private Healthcare Insurance, as LA alluded to.  The primary objective is to make money and shareholder return, and they do it well.  Until that model changes I don't know how you can expect (or perhaps want) any better than we've seen for decades.  I know I've made coin!  :)





   
 


   

Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Smitty on January 27, 2018, 02:21:25 PM
...  they are negotiating that service costing $900 out of network or cash payer to force their product upon the consumer....


... which is why I found ObamaCare so appalling; it was nothing more than throwing fuel on the fire. 
Good grief, now the government DEMANDS you buy the product? If you don't, you'll be fined / taxed? 
Holy Crap!! 

The idiots that pushed for this did so under the premise that it would LOWER the cost of health care.

Ha. (saracstic laugh)
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on January 27, 2018, 06:21:49 PM
You guys are too smart for me. I don't know anything. Well except that HCA was up $4.25 yesterday. I DO know that. LOL.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: BuddyH on January 27, 2018, 09:25:55 PM

... which is why I found ObamaCare so appalling; it was nothing more than throwing fuel on the fire. 
Good grief, now the government DEMANDS you buy the product? If you don't, you'll be fined / taxed? 
Holy Crap!! 

The idiots that pushed for this did so under the premise that it would LOWER the cost of health care.
And even bigger idiots believed that politicians and "experts" could command the economics of the entire healthcare sector from DC.  They are doing a hell of a job at it, aren't they?
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Firewatch on February 01, 2018, 02:53:04 PM
Since the city just basically bought the hospital today worth 25 million can they turn it into a k-8 for the schools. It's on the East side, their is room to take out a parking lot and put in a playground and athletic field. Problem solved.  8)
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on February 01, 2018, 02:57:36 PM
Since the city just basically bought the hospital today for 25 million can they turn it into a k-8 for the schools. It's on the East side, their is room to take out a parking lot and put in a playground and athletic field. Problem solved.  8)

The hospital’s assets and owned physician offices valued at $25 million will be purchased by the city for one dollar $1.00
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: LA Dragon on February 01, 2018, 03:25:48 PM
I would have offered $10 for that deal. Dang it!
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on February 01, 2018, 04:16:14 PM
Well my crystal ball tells me there will now be more empty buildings in Massillon but won't be owned by Carl Oser. They'll be owned by the city. I'll see for myself when I get up there for two weeks. So, here's what we have. Affinity walks away with one hell of a write-off, the city gets all this. Oh, and Lee Plakas' legal bills. LOL. Who won here guys?
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: LA Dragon on February 01, 2018, 04:19:58 PM
http://www.cantonrep.com/news/20180201/update-affinity-massillon-settle-over-hospital-closing

Massillon City Council will need to approve the deal including the assumption of some debt (undisclosed in the article). That should make everyone feel better.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: The Butler on February 01, 2018, 07:33:56 PM
Free or nearly so building could make it very attractive to another operator.  And while the local doctors may not have been able to round up the type of scratch needed to buy the hospital, they should be able to buy (or lease) the physicians offices.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Spize on February 01, 2018, 08:25:46 PM
The hospital’s assets and owned physician offices valued at $25 million will be purchased by the city for one dollar $1.00

Seems to me like they are rather happy to be rid of it. 

I can’t imagine it’s going to be cheap to mothball such a facility.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Spize on February 01, 2018, 08:34:47 PM
If even .001% of this hospital or properties end up under the ownership of One Dr Anthony Perry, Then I expect to see KCP behind bars.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: BuddyH on February 01, 2018, 08:53:46 PM
http://www.cantonrep.com/news/20180201/update-affinity-massillon-settle-over-hospital-closing

From the article:
Quote
Such a model would require professional management, Plakas explained. “We wouldn’t expect the mayor’s office to run a hospital,” he said.
A golf course or a fish fry maybe, but certainly not a hospital.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on February 01, 2018, 09:20:05 PM
An interesting tidbit is that the VP and CFO of Quorum Health (parent of Affinity) stepped down from his position two days ago just after they announced that the company divested their 8th hospital in the last two years from the original 38 hospitals they acquired from a spin-off from CHS (Community Health Systems) in late 2015.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on February 02, 2018, 07:47:43 AM
An interesting tidbit is that the VP and CFO of Quorum Health (parent of Affinity) stepped down from his position two days ago just after they announced that the company divested their 8th hospital in the last two years from the original 38 hospitals they acquired from a spin-off from CHS (Community Health Systems) in late 2015.

Of course he did. He saved them a boat load of money and probably walked away with a golden parachute in the tens of millions. Who wouldn't? They just hoodwinked those idiots that run the place up there and they don't even know it yet.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Firewatch on February 02, 2018, 09:48:48 AM
Maybe they will turn it into a retirement home for Da Klub members.  ;D
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: LA Dragon on February 02, 2018, 10:05:11 AM
I can't wait to hear Graber when the city starts paying the utilities, property taxes and maintenance costs on a vacant hospital.

Especially when the city is out of salt for the roads!
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on February 02, 2018, 10:56:44 AM
You can't wait? You don't have to my friend. He's blowing up both Twitter and Facebook as we speak. LOL.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Spize on February 02, 2018, 10:59:39 AM
I can't wait to hear Graber when the city starts paying the utilities, property taxes and maintenance costs on a vacant hospital.

Especially when the city is out of salt for the roads!

The whole city should be Graber level pissed at this point.

Our brilliant Mayor, instead of shutting the fuck up like she should have, instead in her quest to save jobs, she has managed to add another financial death anchor to the city budget and saved exactly 0 jobs.

Actually that’s not right, Affinity would have had to hire a crew to mothball the hospital, maintain the grounds while trying to sell it, and then hired an agent to sell the property....  now they don’t.

So we added a huge burden to the city and have less jobs than when she started.

We win?
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Spize on February 02, 2018, 11:02:23 AM
Just think of all the organizations that want a dump hospital with a nice ER that’s managed by a city who will sue you to force a union upon you and also want to be your landlord.

No company in their right mind is going to buy the building right after the city sued the asset out of the last owner which forced them to sell it for $1.

If I was even remotely interested in it before, I’d be calling a Columbus Doctor asking the sale price on Doctors Hospital
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: fyrewood on February 03, 2018, 02:29:26 AM
You can't wait? You don't have to my friend. He's blowing up both Twitter and Facebook as we speak. LOL.
Good, maybe that douche nozzle will get himself so worked up, he'll have a stroke and kick off... Fuck him
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Spize on February 03, 2018, 10:14:58 PM
Good, maybe that douche nozzle will get himself so worked up, he'll have a stroke and kick off... Fuck him

If it hasn’t happened already it ain’t in the cards
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: LA Dragon on February 11, 2018, 06:54:45 PM
The official games have begun! No, not the winter olympics but the Affinity Hospital games.

Scott Graber files a lawsuit to have the Affinity deal with the city nullified. Here we go!
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on February 11, 2018, 07:07:33 PM
The official games have begun! No, not the winter olympics but the Affinity Hospital games.

Scott Graber files a lawsuit to have the Affinity deal with the city nullified. Here we go!

He must have gotten some pro bono services
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Firewatch on February 11, 2018, 07:16:32 PM
He must have gotten some pro bono services
http://www.indeonline.com/news/20180211/massillon-resident-files-lawsuit-to-nullify-affinity-deal

What an idiot.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Firewatch on February 11, 2018, 07:19:06 PM
Good, maybe that douche nozzle will get himself so worked up, he'll have a stroke and kick off... Fuck him
I hear child services has been hounding his azz recently. Not sure for what.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: BuddyH on February 11, 2018, 09:52:39 PM
He must have gotten some pro bono services
I think the correct term would be "pro bozo".
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on February 12, 2018, 09:33:06 AM
No, you have not heard it all. Here is the latest.

http://www.indeonline.com/news/20180211/massillon-resident-files-lawsuit-to-nullify-affinity-deal
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: sheriffjohnstone on February 12, 2018, 01:15:44 PM
The suit was filed in Stark Common Pleas Court.

The suit has been assigned to Judge Haas.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: LA Dragon on February 12, 2018, 02:37:59 PM
No, you have not heard it all.

This reminds me of a Tom Hamilton radio call 2 seasons ago during an Indians game.

"We have now seen it all! A walk-off BALK!" Oh, my!
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: The Butler on February 16, 2018, 01:47:27 PM
No, you have not heard it all. Here is the latest.

http://www.indeonline.com/news/20180211/massillon-resident-files-lawsuit-to-nullify-affinity-deal

He managed to get him and his lawyer nearly 20 minutes on WHBC.

https://soundcloud.com/user-192569656/lawsuit-in-massillon-with-quarum-scott-graber-attorney-michela-huth-021618-18m15s?in=user-192569656/sets/the-gary-rivers-show
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on February 16, 2018, 02:22:05 PM
And he's getting rave reviews on Facebook from what I read.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on February 16, 2018, 02:39:20 PM
And he's getting rave reviews on Facebook from what I read.

Consider the source of most of those FB Massillon Virtual Sounding Board posters. 🙄🤡
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on February 16, 2018, 02:50:56 PM
And then there is that. God I LOVE reading some of those idiots on there.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Firewatch on February 16, 2018, 08:24:47 PM
Well he picked a real gem for an attorney.  :o 


https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A2KLfSIYgIda7vAAfsrBGOd_;_ylu=X3oDMTBydDI5cXVuBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM2BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--/RV=2/RE=1518858392/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.ipetitions.com%2fpetition%2fremoval-of-attorney-michela-huths-license/RK=2/RS=PscNz72uNemztfw4gggXvFqyQnw- (https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A2KLfSIYgIda7vAAfsrBGOd_;_ylu=X3oDMTBydDI5cXVuBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM2BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--/RV=2/RE=1518858392/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.ipetitions.com%2fpetition%2fremoval-of-attorney-michela-huths-license/RK=2/RS=PscNz72uNemztfw4gggXvFqyQnw-)
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on February 16, 2018, 08:53:24 PM
Well he picked a real gem for an attorney.  :o 


https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A2KLfSIYgIda7vAAfsrBGOd_;_ylu=X3oDMTBydDI5cXVuBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM2BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--/RV=2/RE=1518858392/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.ipetitions.com%2fpetition%2fremoval-of-attorney-michela-huths-license/RK=2/RS=PscNz72uNemztfw4gggXvFqyQnw- (https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A2KLfSIYgIda7vAAfsrBGOd_;_ylu=X3oDMTBydDI5cXVuBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM2BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--/RV=2/RE=1518858392/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.ipetitions.com%2fpetition%2fremoval-of-attorney-michela-huths-license/RK=2/RS=PscNz72uNemztfw4gggXvFqyQnw-)

Birds of a feather flock together
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: sheriffjohnstone on February 20, 2018, 07:37:18 AM
As usual.....Marty has this pretty well figured out:

http://starkpoliticalreport.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on February 20, 2018, 09:00:45 AM
Interesting article. Yes, it's public knowledge that Massillon "paid" $1 for the property. So if someone comes in and offers them $2 they can position it as doubling their investment. My point here is that it it public knowledge what was paid, and what debt the city will have to incur very soon. Definitely puts the buyer is a strength of position. But hey, nobody ever said we had great negotiators up there. Best of luck.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Portage on February 21, 2018, 10:06:35 PM
Egret - How much debt will the city have to incur very soon?
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on February 22, 2018, 07:12:08 AM
Egret - How much debt will the city have to incur very soon?

Agreed. That is the $64,000 question and one that nobody seems to want to answer from the city. Everyone thinks they made such a great deal. I think they got their arms around one big, damn white elephant. I think my punctuation was bad in my previous post but what I meant to say was that nobody knows the incurring debt about to occur. My bad buddy.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Firewatch on February 22, 2018, 08:36:37 PM
I know one thing Graber is either the craziest MF in the world or has the biggest balls in the world. He is trying to burn down Massillon politics. :)  Calling out Kathy, Plakas all of them. I don’t know if he will win this suit but either way the higher powers are going to crush him one of these days.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: sheriffjohnstone on February 23, 2018, 06:41:42 AM
You read it here first:

No way the Village Idiot wins this lawsuit.

Massillon's Law Director was correct to allow Massillon's City Council to go into Executive Session. Absolutely legal.

"Executive Session" gatherings of City Councils have always been upheld as legal when challenged in courts around the country.

No reason to believe that Judge Haas would rule otherwise in this case.

If it ever actually ever gets to a court hearing.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on February 23, 2018, 09:00:04 AM
Crystal Clinic to build orthopedic hospital in Fairlawn

Crystal Clinic Orthopaedic Center will build a 60-bed specialty orthopedic facility on Embassy Parkway in Fairlawn, the physician-owned hospital announced on Tuesday, Feb. 20.

The company is investing $100 million in the project, according to a Crystal Clinic spokeswoman.y

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180220/news/152511/crystal-clinic-build-orthopedic-hospital-fairlawn?#utm_medium=email&utm_source=ccl-akronmorning&utm_campaign=ccl-akronmorning-20180221&cci_test=akron (http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180220/news/152511/crystal-clinic-build-orthopedic-hospital-fairlawn?#utm_medium=email&utm_source=ccl-akronmorning&utm_campaign=ccl-akronmorning-20180221&cci_test=akron)
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on February 23, 2018, 09:04:45 AM
Catholic hospital mega-merger could impact Northeast Ohio

Cincinnati-based Mercy Health — which has a peppered presence in northern Ohio with outposts in Youngstown, Lorain and Toledo — announced yesterday, Feb. 21, that it plans to merge with Maryland-based Bon Secours, a deal that once completed would create one of the largest health systems in the nation. The deal received little play in the media locally, but given Mercy's influence on the state level and significant stake in Summa Health in Akron, it's time to pay attention.

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20180222/blogs07/152731/catholic-hospital-mega-merger-could-impact-northeast-ohio?#utm_medium=email&utm_source=ccl-akronmorning&utm_campaign=ccl-akronmorning-20180223&cci_test=akron







Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on February 23, 2018, 09:08:13 AM
Al, I'm not sure of the significance of your posts. Is it to lay exposure to the fact that investments are being made in health care in the area and that the former Affinity could have a suitor soon? Or just to say that investments are being made elsewhere and not there? Just curious.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on February 23, 2018, 10:25:34 AM
Al, I'm not sure of the significance of your posts. Is it to lay exposure to the fact that investments are being made in health care in the area and that the former Affinity could have a suitor soon? Or just to say that investments are being made elsewhere and not there? Just curious.

Just FYI of what is going on in healthcare in local Canton Akron area and how it may affect future with any Affinity City of Massillon suitors in NE Ohio along with potential employment opportunities.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: LA Dragon on February 23, 2018, 12:22:31 PM
I had my knee surgery at Crystal Clinic and their current surgery center is at St. Thomas Hospital in Akron, just across from the Y-Bridge. As you lay in your bed recovering from surgery you can see the ghetto of Akron down in the valley and an occasional jumper off the bridge!

That's smart of Crystal Clinic to build their own surgery center. St. Thomas is getting up there in age and will be mothballed in the next decade too.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on February 23, 2018, 01:02:35 PM
I had my knee surgery at Crystal Clinic and their current surgery center is at St. Thomas Hospital in Akron, just across from the Y-Bridge. As you lay in your bed recovering from surgery you can see the ghetto of Akron down in the valley and an occasional jumper off the bridge!

That's smart of Crystal Clinic to build their own surgery center. St. Thomas is getting up there in age and will be mothballed in the next decade too.

The Crystal Clinic has operated their outpatient/surgery center in Montrose for many years, have effeciently perfected their operations model and have some of the best orthopedic surgeons in the area. However my loyalty will always be with Cleveland Clinic Akron General.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: LA Dragon on February 23, 2018, 01:17:37 PM
I agree Al, I should have clarified that St. Thomas is the inpatient surgery center. I couldn't have had a better experience and would recommend Crystal Clinic to anyone, but my initial choice of surgeons was a guy with Cleveland Clinic Medina General but his wait list was 6 months long!
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: sheriffjohnstone on February 28, 2018, 03:52:03 PM
First legal bill:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VDpxlR69mis/WpcP-X4yfJI/AAAAAAAAukU/3UIziXc-YtU392mUejigpAYpoM28zh95ACLcBGAs/s1600/THROUGH%2B1282018%2BBILLLING.png
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: brm12 on February 28, 2018, 05:34:59 PM
73k for what?? What did he do?
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on February 28, 2018, 06:34:14 PM
73k for what?? What did he do?

High priced legal stuff 🤑🤑
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: LA Dragon on February 28, 2018, 08:47:34 PM
He negotiated for the city so they could go bankrupt, or at least embarras themselves.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on February 28, 2018, 09:26:56 PM
He negotiated for the city so they could go bankrupt, or at least embarras themselves.

They (the city) does quite well with the embarrassing part, even without legal help. 🙄
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on March 01, 2018, 06:45:57 AM
All I know is that there are some real Einsteins running that place up there. Graber posted something on Facebook last night that floored me. Apparently Paul Manson reads this web-site because he almost verbatim quoted something I said in jest on here. LA Dragon you probably remember when I said "well we bought it for $1 so if we sell it for $2 we made 100% profit". Damn if the dumb ass didn't actually say that in public. Are you freaking KIDDING ME? Maybe I'm going to have to start putting disclaimers on my posts because I'm apparently so smart that people are now quoting me. God knows I never would have thunk that. LOLOLOL. Al and you others that have been on here forever know I'm an idiot.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: LA Dragon on March 01, 2018, 09:33:21 AM
Yea, Egret, I would have to at least sell it for $4 to cover commissions and capital gains.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: fyrewood on March 03, 2018, 05:09:22 AM
I'm more worried about the fact that you admitted that you follow Graber on Facebook.... Be careful, that whack job might rub off on you lol.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Strangemind on March 03, 2018, 10:03:15 AM
All I know is that there are some real Einsteins running that place up there. Graber posted something on Facebook last night that floored me. Apparently Paul Manson reads this web-site because he almost verbatim quoted something I said in jest on here. LA Dragon you probably remember when I said "well we bought it for $1 so if we sell it for $2 we made 100% profit". Damn if the dumb ass didn't actually say that in public. Are you freaking KIDDING ME? Maybe I'm going to have to start putting disclaimers on my posts because I'm apparently so smart that people are now quoting me. God knows I never would have thunk that. LOLOLOL. Al and you others that have been on here forever know I'm an idiot.

Give yourself some credit, Bro, you're smarter than you look!
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on March 04, 2018, 05:55:46 AM
I'm more worried about the fact that you admitted that you follow Graber on Facebook.... Be careful, that whack job might rub off on you lol.

He's on the Massillon Community page. You are too, Woody.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on March 04, 2018, 02:00:32 PM
If That FB site is like the other Massillon virtual ones, it is strictly for either entertainment or SMH purposes only. About 90% of the postings are not factual.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on March 04, 2018, 05:26:23 PM
Spot on Al. Crazy people.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Firewatch on March 04, 2018, 10:18:00 PM
Yep and those same idiots keep voting down a school levy that would do a world of good and at the same time vote for complete incompetence to run the city.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: fyrewood on March 05, 2018, 10:45:16 PM
He's on the Massillon Community page. You are too, Woody.

Massillon Community page? I'm on the Massillon Virtual Sounding Board page which he's not, he was banned years ago.... I'm not on any other Massillon page that he's on that I know of.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on March 06, 2018, 07:17:00 AM
Yeah there's another one that he's not banned from. Yet. God knows it is only a matter of time.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: sheriffjohnstone on March 12, 2018, 09:17:41 PM

http://www.indeonline.com/news/20180312/massillon-investigating-interest-in-taking-over-affinity
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Firewatch on March 22, 2018, 12:05:23 AM
Do they think he is just going to go away. :o


http://www.indeonline.com/news/20180321/massillon-wants-lawsuit-over-affinity-acquisition-tossed (http://www.indeonline.com/news/20180321/massillon-wants-lawsuit-over-affinity-acquisition-tossed)
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: sheriffjohnstone on March 22, 2018, 06:19:09 AM
There is a reason Judge Haas is having a pre-trial Conference Call with the attorneys instead of an In Court Hearing.

He probably finds the Plaintiff's suit specious and may be predisposed to dismiss.

We'll find out on April 17th.

I find it hard to believe that Judge Haas would let the two gadfly plaintiffs to actually get to court with this very thin complaint.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on March 22, 2018, 09:32:24 AM
The other interesting point is that the trial is not scheduled until Oct. 9 in Common Pleas Court if Judge Haas would decide that it is valid to proceed.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Spize on March 29, 2018, 03:31:00 AM
There is a reason Judge Haas is having a pre-trial Conference Call with the attorneys instead of an In Court Hearing.

He probably finds the Plaintiff's suit specious and may be predisposed to dismiss.

We'll find out on April 17th.

I find it hard to believe that Judge Haas would let the two gadfly plaintiffs to actually get to court with this very thin complaint.

I dunno...  Crazy as he may be, Graber has been known to reach into the parliamentary basket and pull out a technicality that sticks once and a while.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on March 29, 2018, 08:56:38 AM
If you read some of his stuff on Facebook it seems he might have something legitimate here. Of course if he's the one presenting it legitimacy, diplomacy, and logic go right out the window. LOL.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: sheriffjohnstone on April 06, 2018, 06:59:03 AM
The "crack" Inde news team couldn't figure out how to report this apparently:

On Monday (4.02.18) Mr. Graber and his adept legal counsel filed a TRO and Preliminary Injunction Request in Stark County Common Pleas Court to stop the Affinity/Massillon deal from going through.

Yesterday Judge Haas did not grant either request.

This is a victory for the city and a defeat for the DB and his curious choice for counsel.

You may read about this in the Inde....Saturday, Monday.....who knows when?
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: brm12 on April 17, 2018, 07:22:16 AM
So in todays Inde, it says we will only be on the hook for about $60,000 per month for utilities and such.... Sounds like we got a deal!! Meanwhile our streets are trash, the reservoir is trash, and our schools are falling apart! Im so glad the public has had any say so in this shit show!
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Egret on April 17, 2018, 09:53:47 AM
So in todays Inde, it says we will only be on the hook for about $60,000 per month for utilities and such.... Sounds like we got a deal!! Meanwhile our streets are trash, the reservoir is trash, and our schools are falling apart! Im so glad the public has had any say so in this shit show!

You shouldn't depend on the Inde. JD Ress also posted 14 minutes of discussion from the Council meeting last night on a Massillon Sounding Board Facebook page. If that is what the Inde said they are flaming MORONS. Joel Smith "guesstimated" that utilities and such would be $60K/month. He honestly gave zero indication on where he came up with that number. Also, it was revealed that some of the equipment that your crack Mayor inherited in this wonderful deal is STILL ON LEASE. Which means what? As of whenever this is ratified said Einstein Mayor's budget is on the hook for those payments. What are these payments? Once again, the crack staff has absolutely no idea. I swear my daughter getting ready to graduate from college could have struck a better deal than these morons. It's pathetic and sad for the city.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Spize on May 14, 2018, 03:36:58 PM
You shouldn't depend on the Inde. JD Ress also posted 14 minutes of discussion from the Council meeting last night on a Massillon Sounding Board Facebook page. If that is what the Inde said they are flaming MORONS. Joel Smith "guesstimated" that utilities and such would be $60K/month. He honestly gave zero indication on where he came up with that number. Also, it was revealed that some of the equipment that your crack Mayor inherited in this wonderful deal is STILL ON LEASE. Which means what? As of whenever this is ratified said Einstein Mayor's budget is on the hook for those payments. What are these payments? Once again, the crack staff has absolutely no idea. I swear my daughter getting ready to graduate from college could have struck a better deal than these morons. It's pathetic and sad for the city.

Not to mention, a lot of medical equipment becomes obsolete rapidly and/or requires constant maintenance/upgrades to stay viable.

Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on May 14, 2018, 04:02:45 PM
At least Affinity (Quorum) didn’t spend the $800K estate trust to them from a former volunteer for equipment as originally planned. The city is now trying to see whether legally they should have access to the funds.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: BuddyH on May 14, 2018, 08:22:17 PM
Not to mention, a lot of medical equipment becomes obsolete rapidly and/or requires constant maintenance/upgrades to stay viable.
Correct.  I'm not sure about OH, but most states require regular certified calibration and preventative maintenance by qualified technicians.  If not, the equipment must be taken offline or heavy fines accrue.
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: Al. on May 14, 2018, 10:44:10 PM
Correct.  I'm not sure about OH, but most states require regular certified calibration and preventative maintenance by qualified technicians.  If not, the equipment must be taken offline or heavy fines accrue.

Well it looks like the equipment has been taken offline 🤨
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: BuddyH on May 15, 2018, 09:03:18 PM
Well it looks like the equipment has been taken offline 🤨
Point taken, Al.  My post was not well stated.  What I intended to say was that if the calibrations and maintenance are not regularly carried out while Affinity is closed, what will the State of OH require when, and if, it is opened again by whomever?  "You bet, Kathy.  Just fire that that stuff up again.  We'll check you later."
Title: Re: AFFINITY CLOSING!!!
Post by: rwgrier75 on August 11, 2018, 10:39:58 PM
I was just thinking,  two hospitals four miles apart, are now closed because of one organization......AFFINITY !!!